Eco Mama

Episode #3 - Tween Make-Up Podcast

October 18, 2022 Jaime Snell
Eco Mama
Episode #3 - Tween Make-Up Podcast
Show Notes Transcript

Join me as I interview three tween girls as they begin their journey into wearing makeup.

And please forgive the background noise with the other kids, dogs, life, etc. Still navigating recording a podcast as life is moving around us.


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Hello Eco Mamas. Today's topic is all about tweens, so if you have children, especially girls, and they are kind of coming of age, this will be a good topic for you. I have a nine year old daughter and an 11 year old daughter, and they have been curious about my makeup probably since they started trying on my high heels when they were two years old walking around in them. and they would just play little dress up here and there, but I never really let them wear makeup quotation marks in the air there. And still to this day, they're not allowed to wear it outside of the house, but with their ages and their curiosities, they are starting to play more and more with it. They have been begging me for their own makeup now for six or eight months.

Jaime:

And I was like, Why can't you just use mine? You, you're fine with using mine. My rule is that they can play dress up with my things. They may not use my mascara, but they can play dress up with all my other makeup as long as they leave my bathroom better than they found it and they return everything where they found it. When their friends come over, they will give each other makeovers in my bathroom, which is totally fine. It's absolutely precious. They practice putting makeup on each other and then they have to wash their face either before we leave the house to get all the makeup off or before they go to bed, and I just stress the importance of doing that with them. Now that they want their own makeup, I had to have the conversation with them cuz as an Eco Mama, I'm very particular about the products that we use in our home, especially the products that my children use on themselves. This is the first time where they're looking for something. Outside of what I na normally provide for them, like I'll buy them toothpaste that I approve of and shampoos and body washes and soaps, and hand soaps, and actually deodorant. Now they have deodorant in their little arsenal of tween life. I wanted to help them understand why going to the local drug store or buying something at the grocery store for makeup, just because the colors are pretty and the marketing is great, and it says it's for tweens. It may not be this safest solution for their makeup needs. And that is because of the ingredients of those products. It's not to say that everything in those stores is bad. By no means. I deal with products based one by one by one, but it's very rare that I can find something that. Meets my stringent selection process for clean ingredients at a CVS or a Walgreens or Walmart, or sometimes even Target. They have these aisles that are marketed for clean beauty or cleaner beauty, but you still gotta take that individual product and turn it over and look at the list of ingredients. I made a proposal to my daughters. I shared with them that we could start purchasing makeup for them. My method of parenting is that I will always provide what my children. What they need will be given to them by their mother and father. They need clothes, they need food, they need love. They don't need designer jeans. They may want designer jeans, but they don't need them. They may want name brand things, but when it comes to what I provide for them, what I pay for a hundred percent with our money, it's the things that they need. Now. We'll compromise on some other stuff. If they really want it, maybe we'll meet 'em halfway. But they earn an allowance. They do chores, they earn an allowance, they get birthday money. They're great at saving all of that. When it comes to things that they want, that is their responsibility. With makeup is something they want. It's not anything they need. I will buy their shampoo, their conditioner, their toothpaste, I'll even do body lotion, like these are things I see as kind of needs, but when it comes to makeup, that's a total wants in my category. And they understand that. They understand that completely. What I proposed to them was that I would pay for half of the cost of their makeup if they chose to use the brands that I selected for them. They had complete discretion as to. What colors they would purchase. They could do their favorite colors. They just must use the brands that I approve because I want them to use safe ingredients. I don't want them putting muck on their face that is, has got stuff that's gonna cause skin problems or any more deep seated issues. Just want clean beauty for my babies. So they agreed to it. They now. Mascara, which was really cool because I would never let them use mine. I learned a long time ago, and maybe this is real, maybe this isn't, I'm not sure, but I was told that it's easy to transfer any, like eye issues. EYE funk with mascara, and so that's something that you should never share with anyone. That should be an individual use. I've never let them use my masra. I was out one day at Garners, which is a natural store where I get some of our vitamins from, and they had a few makeup lines there, and one of them was Mad Hippy. Mad Hippy is a brand I've heard great things about, but I'd never personally used it. I was like, Huh. Let me try their mascara. So I bought two of the mascara's and I brought 'em home, and I put 'em in a little gift bag for my girls. And when they got home from school, I said, I, I have a surprise for you. I've bought you something, but if you don't want it, we can easily return it because this is something that falls under an agreement. They opened it. They absolutely loved it. They were super excited. The price was $18.99, so $19. So I just, I rounded. I said, All right, now I paid 20 for each. And you, if you wanna keep it, you have to give me 10. But there's no obligation. If you don't wanna pay for this, then I will return it. It's not a big deal. And they both were so excited. They went, got out their little jars of cash, gave me 10 bucks each, and went upstairs and started putting mascara on and bless their hearts. My 11 year old got it on perfect. The first try. My nine year old kept like stabbing her eyeball with the wand So we, we took some time and I showed them like some proper application and. Curling their lashes as they apply it and how to try not to get it into the eye, and then her sister helped her too. Needless to say, they now have mascara and that is their first item in their collection for beauty. Part of this tween episode is to interview a couple tweens to talk to them. What good is helping them navigate the world, makeup and skincare, if you don't get their feedback, you wanna understand their motives, you wanna understand what they're looking for. I think that's just part of parenting too. You have to try and understand your audience in life. When it comes to parenting, you wanna see what your child wants and needs, and then you can help them navigate because they're gonna have to eventually make all those decisions for themselves. I am interviewing my 11 year old daughter about her desires and interest in the world of makeup. The questions: first one is, do you think that you are ready to wear makeup?

Samantha:

I'm not sure, but I would like to try it.

Jaime:

Why do you want to try it? I have no idea. Is it beauty thing or is it because you've seen it on TV or because friends at school are wearing it?

Samantha:

I have no idea.

Jaime:

So she's not really sure why, but she knows that she is interested in it and. Enjoys applying it. Is that correct?

Samantha:

Yeah, like with dress up and friends and stuff.

Jaime:

So she'll spend some time in my bathroom going through my makeup and they take turns beautifying each other with colors. So what is mom's current rule around makeup? Can you share that with the audience?

Samantha:

You can use it for dress up as long as you clean it up afterwards and never wear it to school..

Jaime:

And, I'm not really a big fan of wearing it outside the house. Is that correct?

Samantha:

Yes.

Jaime:

So right now at this age, she is my oldest. She's 11 and her sister is nine, who's even more into it than she is. I highly discourage them wearing outside of the house. It's not an absolute rule. Every now and again, if they sneak out a little lip gloss when we're going to the store, it's fine, but definitely not to school. Like not out and about, just it's something that they want to experiment with at home, that is absolutely fine with me. Do you understand why mom doesn't want you to wear it out of the house? No. Part of the reason that I don't want them to wear it out of the house is just because it does make them look older than they, than they are.

Samantha:

Mm-hmm.

Jaime:

And, I don't think that's healthy. I don't want them to be out there and someone treating them like a teenager when they're still emotionally and physically developing as a tween. And I definitely don't want them to be approached by someone that might have ulterior motives because they think they're beautiful and older. Like stranger danger.

Samantha:

That's danger.

Jaime:

What'd you say?

Samantha:

I said that's danger.

Jaime:

That's dangerous. Yes, it is. When will you be ready to wear makeup out of the house?

Samantha:

Never.

Jaime:

Never? I doubt that's true. I'm sure there will be a time and a place then 40. 45. We'll transition into it. She's also my very mature one. This Samantha here.

Samantha:

Okay.

Jaime:

So, maybe when mom says it's okay. Yeah, that might be a good time when mom says it's okay. All right. So why do you want your own makeup? Cause I have makeup you can mess with. You can play with what now? Why do you want your own again?

Samantha:

I have no idea.

Jaime:

She'd previously told me that she wanted some of her own makeup because she wanted some more vibrant colors. She had seen that mascara is actually made in more than just black, and she likes some of the brighter eyeshadows that she's seen. Is that true?

Samantha:

Yes.

Jaime:

What are your favorite colors for your face?

Samantha:

Blue and purple.

Jaime:

Blue and purple. Excellent. And green. Now these are for your eyes. These colors?

Samantha:

Yeah.

Jaime:

How are you learning to apply your makeup?

Samantha:

From watching you from watching me?

Jaime:

Oh, that's so sweet. I have shown them a couple of techniques, but I think they get in their experiment with each other too. I did show them some tricks. Mascara, which they currently do own their, their own mascara because I, as I mentioned, I don't like to share some of those more intimate eye products. Now this is, this is an important question. Why is it important to wash our face every night before bed, especially when we wear makeup?

Samantha:

Because oils can develop on your face.

Jaime:

Oils can develop on your face. Even though it's clean makeup, you still don't wanna leave those excess particles on your face at night. You want your skin to breathe naturally, and If you wake up in the morning without washing off your makeup, you'll also look like a clown in the morning. Right? you don't wanna like clown in the morning? So it's important that you wash your face every night. And if you haven't yet develop that habit, when you wear makeup, you have to wash your face before bed, correct?

Samantha:

Correct.

Jaime:

Yeah. That's so that's a rule. We have yet to wash your face before bed and they use my face cleanser right now. Eventually they might be getting their own when they get some makeup. How do you feel about the agreement that we've made about getting your own makeup? What is our agreement? You pay for half. We pay for half.

Samantha:

Mm-hmm.

Jaime:

So as I mentioned, we split the cost for it. Now, why do we split the cost for the.

Samantha:

I don't know.

Jaime:

I think she's a little camera shy, even though we're just talking into the mic here. But, the conversation that I had with them, as I mentioned before, was that if they let me pick out the brands so that I can trust that what they're putting on their face is safe for them and it's clean beauty. then they have the freedom to choose colors, and I will agree to split the cost of it with them, because sometimes the cleaner beauty items without harmful chemicals can be a little bit more expensive. However, it will last longer and it is quality over quantity. So I am here with my daughter and her friends, ages nine and 10. Nine. And she's 10, correct? I mean, I'm not, I'm 10 and she's nine. Uncorrect. And we're gonna talk a little bit about the tween years and the desire for to wear makeup. So why do you girls wanna wear makeup?

Remi:

Well, because one, that's, it gives them excuse to be stylish. Two. Well, you can just dress up with it. And three, it gets you like all fancy up for something.

Lilly:

I like to dress up a lot, while I'm by myself. I really don't use makeup otherwise, but, I really, really like, to dress, dress up cuz it's so much fun. and it makes me feel better about myself in some ways. Same. Well, how does it make you feel better about yourself? Cuz you know you're beautiful already. Mm-hmm. But it makes me feel like I'm, I don't know. It just, it just makes me feel bad. I have no. No, I'm just curious. So what does it, does it make you feel more pretty when you look in the mirror? Or you can just feel a difference about your body when you're wearing it without even looking in the mirror? It makes me feel a difference in my body. So when you're wearing makeup, you know you're wearing it. You don't forget you're wearing it. Sometimes I forget, You forget you're wearing it. I, I think I feel the difference and I feel like I'm growing when I'm older, probably. Yeah, it makes me feel like when I put makeup on, it makes me feel like, like I'm like getting older as I wear makeup more. So Why do you wanna feel older? Well, because lots of people say you are too young to do this or like that. And we and there's lots of stuff we wanna do that we have to have someone to watch us or we have to. we have to be like a baby, we have to have a babysitter or something like that. And we think that we're too old for that stuff. So, it ma, when we make wear makeup, it makes us feel, more mature. So you wanna feel more mature, but do you want the responsibilities that come with maturity? I think, I think wearing makeup gets you to feel like you're just the right age with the right amount of maturities, cuz it doesn't make you feel too old, but not too young. Yeah. It comes with a good amount of maturities, but it also, you can do a fair amount more. So like, let's say if you are 50 years or. and I'm wear makeup and I'm 50 years or above then, and it makes me feel younger when I wear makeup. But if I'm like 10 or younger, I like, I feel older, a little bit older, like let's say 14 because like, well it's, it just makes me more like. Like one time when I wore earrings, it made me look like, I think I was like seven maybe, and I wore earrings and I looked, maybe, looked like I was like three years later. So is that what people tell you or that's what you see when you look in the mirror? That's what I see when I look in the mirror.

Jaime:

Okay. So are you ever concerned that other people might see you as being a little bit older and expect more from you?

Lilly:

Not really. I think I can handle a lot of the maturities that come with it and the expectations.

Remi:

Wait, what was the question?

Jaime:

So I'll rephrase it and I'll just share with you, as a mama, we set boundaries or I set boundaries as, as your mom to not let you go beyond what I think you're ready for, emotionally or physical. So when you wear makeup as a nine year old who has no interest in boys, you might actually make someone think that you're older than you really are and get the attraction of boys for the wrong reasons. That would make you feel really uncomfortable and you wouldn't know to do with. Sometimes women do wear makeup to get attraction from boys. Is that why you do.

Lilly & Remi:

No.

Jaime:

You do it because it makes you feel better about yourself? I think that is the reason we should wear makeup. Not to look good for other people. To make us feel good about ourselves.

You just said one of the reasons you don't wear makeup outside of the house is because, I don't want attraction from other people. I just wanna feel better about myself sometimes. Okay. So it's fun to play dress up and, and you feel like pretty, I have my next question. You ready for it? Yes. How did you first learn about makeup? What made you wanna start wearing it? Other than them looking older Maturity thing? Did you see mom wear it? Did you see it on tv? So, I don't really remember, but I think it was, one time when I was like, Two or one. I went in my parents' bedrooms, and I found makeup and I was like, I'm gonna have, And I did. And it was all over my face. And yeah. So sometimes you need practice with makeup or you won't. I, or yoga, I think I found out, I've known about it for a long, long time because of just, we used to have this TV where there was a lot of commercial, a lot of commercials, and they shared a lot of beauty products and yeah, they do. Awesome. If, like, if kids, why can't girls wear makeup? Like if they want to. So what I'm trying to ask is why do parents not let girls like, their child use makeup? Just because they're too young?. Let me try and explain it. You may not agree because you are in a place where you're exploring life and trying to branch out of your little butterfly cocoon where moms and dads aren't in a place where we've sprung it over cocoon. We've gone out into the world and now we've had babies. God's gifted us with children and we wanna protect them and keep them in their cocoon as long as possible. when it comes to makeup for girls in particular, it can sometimes make them look older than they really are. Okay? There's, there's a few things. Make 'em look older than they are. Attract the wrong people for the wrong reasons, and you're putting more products on your body, so you're giving yourself the opportunity to be exposed to more. So if you're not using safe products that don't have harmful chemicals in 'em, then you're actually starting at a younger age building up some negative compounds in your body that are gonna stay with you forever or for a limited time. But if you keep using them, they will keep building before your body can excrete them again. Well, can't you just use, like makeup without any chemicals? That is what we're talking about today, to find makeup without chemicals, and I'm glad you brought that up because I have a deal with my girls, as I mentioned before, and I'm gonna remind it for the sake of this conversation, that they're ready for makeup.

Jaime:

It's something that they want, not need. As a mama, I provide everything they need, but when it comes to a want, it's their responsibility. Okay? So they want clothes, I'll get them clothes. They want designer clothes. They need to save their money for those designer brands. Okay. I will provide them with everything they need. Is make up a need or a want?

Lilly:

A want.

Remi:

A need.

Jaime:

Are you sure? It's a need. Yeah. Okay. So as a mom, I think it's a want. All right. So as you had a kid, me think it's a need. I thought it was a want. Okay. Well, thank you. So we have a little bit of a balance here. Yeah. And how do you feel about that agreement?

Remi:

Well, I feel good, but he never asked me that. And, also, it's hard cuz I want makeup, but I also wanna save up for colleague so I can get, so I can have my a dr. Like I can have a job, I can have like all those things. And then when I'm done with, that I can, that I can like buy house, I can have like a family and stuff.

Jaime:

Well, I love that you have so much forward thinking and I try to encourage you to be in the moment and stay in today at nine years old. You don't need to worry about so much, but I do love that you're considering those things in the long run. How about you, sweetie?

Lilly:

Personally, I really do. I really not most of, much of a spender, and so I mostly wait until the December time, which my birthday and Christmas and everything is in. And so I, so that's whenever I get my makeup, but I've never really thought about checking the product. A very good idea.

Jaime:

Have you ever thought about checking the ingredients or what the ingredients mean?

Lilly:

Not really, but they're always, My mom lets me use them and she probably knows best for me. So I'm guessing they're, They're for children and they're also for children?

Jaime:

Mm-hmm.

Lilly:

So I'm guessing that they're fine.. All right,

Jaime:

so I think it's important to trust your mom. You should always trust your mom that your parents are your first go-to when it comes to life. Okay, so ladies, if you could pick any colors for makeup or any specific makeup. What is your dream makeup palette as a tween? Like, do you want lipstick, blush, eyeshadow, mascara? what colors do you like? Like what excites you we're gonna go here first.

Lilly:

Well, I like eye shadow the most. And I think I really like a lighter paint, so it gives your eyes a tint, but it's not like overpowering crazy.

Jaime:

Not too drastic. All right, so more of a, a soft, neutral color is the what you like. So eyeshadows, do you like lips, lip color or anything?

Lilly:

I really. lipstick and stuff, and I do go a little bit crazy with that, but just the classic red and pink and stuff. Mm-hmm. but I do get really bright with it. Yeah. Well, I'll say both of you girls have been gifted with beautiful full lips, so no matter what you wear, I imagine it's gorgeous. For sure.

Jaime:

Colors, particular parts of the face that you'd like to highlight? Is it blush? Is it lipstick? Is it eyeshadow? Is it mascara?

Remi:

So the color I would use is all colors. All the colors like the blacks and the grays, or the rainbow colors, like the rainbow colors.

Jaime:

So the soft rainbow colors and the bright rainbow colors?

Remi:

More like bright. But I also, But let's say like if it was, I, no, what's it called again? There's eyeshadow and there's eyeliner. And there's mascara. Mascara, Okay. so if it, let's say if it was mascara, I usually go with black.

Jaime:

You think so? Yeah. But all the other things I'd use for the other guys and then the makeup, I'd probably choose all of them because I love to put. Except for blush, because I already look like I have so much blush on. Yeah, you've got a beautiful natural hue to your cheeks. I don't think you need it yet. So I don't think I would need blush. So a little bit of eyes shadow black mascara.

Remi:

And then, and then I would do lipstick, eyeliner. I wanna try eyeliner.

Jaime:

Well, you kinda need to get your own eyeliner for that, so it's something. We can work on, we can decide on a brand that works, and then a color. Now lipstick. Do you like bright or neutral? Neutral's, like natural in nature. Bright is, colors in a rainbow. And I would say that, what would be the word for the lighter colors? Pastel soft. So it's pastel, which is like a soft bright, and there's rainbow, which is like a bright, bright.

Remi:

So it depends if I'm like, let's say if I was dressing up as like a rock star or something like that. Mm-hmm. I would probably do a dark color.

Jaime:

So on stage you want dark colors,

Remi:

but like only I was like a rock star. Right. But if I was. A happy pop star or something. I probably do bright colors. Okay, well see.

Jaime:

Oh, a mad rock star has dark and a happy pop. Star has light. Mm-hmm. Okay. What is, what do you have? What you're aspiring to be a pop star or a rock star? Probably, I mean, like, it depends if I'm dressed, if I, what I'm going to be like if I'm dressing up as anyone. Well, let's just say you're at home and you're with your girlfriends and you're putting on your favorite outfit probably, and putting on mommy's high heels, what color of lips shade would you choose? Probably like between, dark. You know, Well that's, that's pretty vague, but we'll take it. I really agree with her on the black mascara cuz it really highlights what color they actually are. And I also think that, a little bit of what Wena was trying to say was, that, emotions really affect your palette and your color choices. Yeah. I love that. So the emotions about what you're portraying when you're on stage? Yeah. Like when the music and the emotions all tie together and that's, you want to equate the emotions you're portraying with the colors you're wearing. That's so insightful for both of you. Such wisdom at a young age. I love it. And I'm inspir. I thank you both for taking the time today, to be honest with me. Did you have fun? Mm-hmm.

Remi:

Yes, but it would be more fun if I got, if I got tween makeup for free. Gotcha. Okay. So by the way, if you out there why don't you get every girl can that's under, that's 10 or under makeup. Yeah. So they can enjoy it and pretend to be someone else, and, about yourself. And this eco Mama will take that one step further and say that it needs to be clean tween makeup with clean ingredients. Fun, bright colors, but no bad ingredients. Oh, one last question. I'm so sorry. One last question. The most important thing in my opinion, aside from not wearing it outside of the house, is washing your face. What is the rule of washing your face and how do you feel about that? So I don't, one thing, if I do like, eyeshadow on my eyes, and I'm like, I don't, I wanna get that off. And I do, like, there's this, I use a wrap and then there's this place clean. I put it, I put like one dot on the rag and then rub it with my eyes, and then it just gets in my eye. So I don't really write like that. Roll. But then my mommy got me, my mom got me a, like soft rag that can you just put water on it? But with your eyes, and it won't get, and it won't get in your eyes.

Jaime:

Have you tried using that yet? No. Now, do you think it's important to wash your face before bed?

Remi:

Yes, because if you don't wash your makeup on off your face before you go to sleep, then in the morning you'll probably get pimples and pimples. They're kind of fun.

Jaime:

They're what? They're kind of fun. You get to pop 'em but when do you pop? It's not that good. Okay. And for you. I think I always use a rag and then water and I read really good.

Lilly:

And sometimes I'll even get one of my little contact mirrors and when I get shower that night, wash it off and I will make sure I get all of it off before bed and before school, because you're not allowed to wear makeup in. So do you wash your makeup off because you're not allowed to wear it in school the next day, or because you think it's important to do it before you go to bed? Definitely both. Same. You shouldn't, you shouldn't do it. Even though, even if you put it in the morning, then you still wanna wash it off before school. Yeah. And how do you feel about that?

Remi:

Except for middle school? If you're going to middle school, you can wear.

Lilly:

I really don't have many thoughts about it. I think it's a good rule and it really helps to make sure that it doesn't smear and you get, you don't get in pimples and, and you make sure you don't get in trouble.

Jaime:

Yeah. from, from mom for sure, right? Both. Both, Yeah. And then you said, So Remi had said sometimes pimples are fun cause you get to pop 'em, but they're not so fun because it can be gross.

Lilly:

And then you said also when you have pimples, if you pop 'em something else, it's gross about 'em. They bleed,

Remi:

they can bleed? They can bleed into also, they can immediate, if you don't wash them well after that, they'll just keep, yes they can go back. And then also another negative side effect of pimples if you're popping them, which is never. You could get sepsis. So what happens is the oils that cause the pimples and you pop it, that dirt can actually go back into the open wound and get into your bloodstream and make you sick. That can happen. So you don't wanna pop pimples. Do you just wait drastically sick, or is it drastic? I've never been sick from it, and I've popped a few pimples in my. Some people have been even as adults, and they pop. I still get pimples as an adult. I get one a month. Yeah, but how bad do you think the sickness is? So it's different for every individual. I think the best thing is not to pop them. Definitely it's most important to keep your skin clean. All right? So keep your skin clean. It's not just your skin though. Your hormones are gonna change. You're gonna get pim. No matter what, you can minimize the pimples by cleaning your face and by eating a healthy diet and drinking lots of water. So let's say if you got pimples yes. And you didn't pop, would they just, and you wait like.

Jaime:

Thank you ladies so much for your time today. I hope you had fun with this interview cause I know I did and I hope you've helped other mamas and other girls navigate this tween transition with makeup..

Lilly:

We really hopely help them make better choices when we're, when they get to the age where they wear makeup.

Remi:

So I think you should be grateful for what you have, and it's okay if you don't have any makeup. It's just as long as you have clean products to keep you safe there, awesome. And we hope you enjoyed our video today,

Lilly:

And we hope you, we hope to pick out clean products and have you use them.

Remi:

Yes. And remember it don't use makeup because, you think you'll, you think people will like you better cuz that. It matters about how you feel and not let, and not how other people feel about you.

Jaime:

Oh, it was so fun talking to these girls. Their personalities are so different too. I'm really excited for them for this next chapter of their life. I cringe a little bit at all the insecurity I had at that age, and I pray they never feel those feelings. They're pretty confident girls, but I know that puberty's gonna hit really soon and things are gonna change. I just pray that I develop relationships with them strong enough that they can come to me when they're struggling. And that I'm wise enough to listen and not so quick to jump on giving advice or telling them what they need to do. I tell you my best friends that have had the biggest impact in my life are those that just know how to ask me the right questions, so, so that I can search for the answers myself, and I pray that I can evolve into that wise parent as well. Thank you so much for tuning in today. This was a great episode. I hope you have something to take away. I wish you the best of luck if you're on the same leg of your journey in parenthood as I am right now, and if you are, goodness, reach out to me. Let's compare notes and see how we can better the circumstances for the years we have ahead of us. This Friday. I'm gonna do a deep dive on ballets. It's even harder to spell than it is to pronounce, I promise. But I will go through what phthalates are, what they're commonly found in, why we strive to avoid them in ingredients we use in our own family and why you should consider avoiding them too. Thank you so much. I hope you have a wonderful week and I look forward to connecting with you again soon. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss a chance to connect with me.